Ep. 32: Spike Camp – How to Find Your Fitness Program

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Speaker 1: I don’t think you can underplay the importance of fitness. And you know, just one you’re gonna be better off. You’re gonna get in the woods a little bit easier in the mornings, get out of the woods once again. My add in the middle of the day. I feel better if we’re at hunt camp to get some fitness in the middle of the day. I know, birds hammering little debbies, but.

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Speaker 2: You know you earn chili dogs. We had chili dog.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Andy Altham said, you do that. Yeah, so I mean not hunting really money kits out here. The steaks are real effective Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I’ve gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is in Pursuit to you buy Mount Knocks in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt in Pursuit. I don’t even know what number this is.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is podcast two.

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Speaker 1: This is podcast two with our current format, now that we actually have somebody to geek out. Yeah, yeah, make it a little bit more formal, a little bit more worth people’s while. Thanks Jeff for the notes, more like episodes, watching more like episodes. Who would this be after?

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Speaker 2: You know, Jeff, you’re fired.

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Speaker 4: You did a great job, least at least I thought Scott suspended.

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Speaker 2: Currently we can’t.

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Speaker 1: Spend the whole media, guys, thanks to end up with Ben again. And Ben doesn’t even like hunting. All right. Yeah, on this episode, finding the track that fits you a lot really just about getting people moving that are either just a little intimidated or.

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Speaker 4: I heard the notion that CrossFit is dangerous across the broad term that CrossFit is dangerous, and then all we do is cross it correct.

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Speaker 1: We’ll give a little bit of like current happenings on the track and what we’re what people are doing, and what we’re doing. Murf prep. A lot of people do the Murph even if you’re not across a lot of people do the Murph challenge.

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Speaker 4: If you’re in the fitness space, you probably please do me a favor if you do that work out a Memorial Day.

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Speaker 1: Just call it murph. Yeah, say the MURFH or don’t say MIRFH challenge. Don’t say any of that just say I’m gonna.

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Speaker 2: Do MIRF today. The workout Murph, I’m gonna do the Hero workout name.

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Speaker 1: For those who don’t know what MURF is, it’s one mile twenty sorry the way I break it one hundred push ups, shoot one mile, hundred pull ups, two hunt to push ups, three hundred squats run a mile. Fun fact, first time I did it three hundred sit ups instead of squads. It was very tough. Wow. Oh yeah, I guess it was early on and we didn’t have internet on our phones back then, so we look it up on the website and then try to rip out that so and we’re like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, weighted or not it?

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Speaker 1: No? No, wait, we did it. Dad’s that run down that hill like you go out at the barn, up that hill and then down and then back up. So bad?

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Speaker 2: Was it hot? Because that’s that gets sticky?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it’s hip. So yeah, we’re kind of full fledged on that. You can use a twenty pound vest, you can use a ruck, whatever you want I prefer to do. I know, gasp, this is CrossFit strict pull ups for sure. And uh and honestly, the wearing a plate carrier kind of shortens the range of motion on the push ups, so shout a nice So if you wear a ruck, you’re doing I think like our.

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Speaker 4: Hardest Yeah, the hardest version, I think. So yeah, we have like it’s eighteen nineteen workouts. Murph is the nineteenth workout in the track.

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Speaker 2: So there’s one. It’s set up in such a way that you do to a week Monday workouts a week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Monday Friday for what is that? That’s nine weeks. Yeah, nine weeks of so within your regular workout program, or if you don’t necessarily have one, you could do you could throw this in some Monday and Friday do Like Monday will always be a version of mirf like running, pull up, push up squads, yeah, and then some with vest, some without, and then on Fridays or whatever day you’re doing it second time during the week, it will be a little different, but using the same muscle. So it might be like rope climbs, bench press and biker oh no, sled yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: Last year when we did it, we do last yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it’ll be like similar movement patterns.

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Speaker 4: One, No, you’re not doing a version Fridays.

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Speaker 3: I was like day yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there’s like nine like Murph prep workouts, and then there’s nine workouts that are that will still work the muscles the same way. FORMRF we’re dropping that. I think in a week or two we should drop that on.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, if you did just pull ups, push up squads two times a week, yeah, you could get pretty fit.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: They are a pretty universal movement. It’s great, they’re they’re and running like all four of those things. If you did that pretty regularly, you’d be pretty darn fit, especially for the mountains. You know. Yeah, we do like to add a little bit external weight, but you know, if you just had limited equipment and you did some variation.

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Speaker 2: Of sometimes with the vest or rocks, sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Without, yeah, you could get pretty darn fit doing those things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it hits all the bases, I think most of them. Yeah, I mean it’s I and I like that. It’s pretty much if you do it, you’re usually doing it Memorial Day every year, so there’s like a starting end point.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have.

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Speaker 1: Something to train for that we preach, have have a target on the calendar. You know, obviously a lot of us all for September is our push, but you need some some step off points. There in the middle to kind of get you to September or us you’re like, man, I got five months or whatever, I can get there. So having a May, having something maybe for July, having you know, just different kind of check in periods where you’re like, all right, hey, where’s my fitness at give yourself something to kind of a good.

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Speaker 3: Workout, to do with someone too, yeah, because most people over forty minutes you would say, yeah, So just to suffer with somebody, it makes a huge difference.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this this morning. You know, there’s there’s days at the gym where it’s tough to get going, especially by yourself. But like this morning, me and Angelo, I was like, hey, let’s go work out. AJ jumped in. We started with one piece and immediately led into another piece, which then went into another another piece, which then we went into accessory. And then he walks by. He’s like, I’m gonna do some you know, five muscle ups on the minute, and I’m like, I don’t need to, Yeah, I’m gonna do it. And so it’s just it just happens, right. So you know, for us, obviously we’re in an environment that that that breeds that to happen, you know. But you know, we started at ten o’clock. By eleven thirty, I mean, it was a steady out, like we literally we went biker handstand walk, finished that, and I was like, I need to like actually get on the bike and do some like I’ve been doing just heavy damper of ten and it won’t translate to that stupid iron man that I decided to do. So I was like, let me back the damper down to five and just spin at rpm eighty. Not worry about the pace, but keep the rpm eighty three minutes on, one minute off or six sets. And Angel’s like, all right, I’ll do it, but he jumps in. Well then we’re like we’re both kind of like on this kick where strength hurts us just because we’re so broken, but we need to start doing some strength. So then we went into the cleans and then we both started doing some accessory and then you know, the open workout happened, and I sucked at muscle ups because I never haven’t done him in a while. So Angel’s like, hey, I’m gonna do five muscle ups on the minute. So I did some muscle ups and then after that, I was like my shoulder kind of tweaked, so I’m gonna do some shoulder access.

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Speaker 2: So it’s like out of hand they really do.

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Speaker 1: And but that’s kind of the spirit of it is you work out with other people, yep, well, and they’re gonna push you too, they’re gonna hold you account going three it’s more fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like because there’s because I mean, we can use this morning as an example, like the first workout we did, we both wanted to do that, and then you wanted to work on some bike, so I did that with you, and then at the end, I want to do some musclips you do with me. So you end up like if you’re training with different people, like someone especially let’s just say let’s use MURF prep for example, Like someone is like, hey, I need to work on my pull ups, Like maybe you don’t need to work on your polls. But then the next day you’re like, hey, let’s do like a bunch of squats and I need to work on my squads, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they’ll do it with you.

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Speaker 4: So you have somebody you can go back and forth with something you’re good at, something they’re good at, and you just keep working back and forth, and uh, you each get like a little mini win here and there, and then you keep going and you keep showing up because you get a mini win, they get one. You go back and forth. Or if you’re you know, like burden me, you just kind of get your ass kicked day after day.

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Speaker 1: Me by Watkins.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I’m sorry, whoa, whoa, I didn’t. Hey, I didn’t know you win every workout. I don’t.

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Speaker 3: I don’t.

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Speaker 2: I’m saying, like.

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Speaker 1: Work he even tries to win a workout.

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Speaker 3: If that’s the way you meet the demons, yeah, you need it, all right.

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Speaker 4: So what’s first first pursuit? Yeah, first pursuit. We have been doing first pursuit honestly for a little while. We’re trying to do a rebrand, uh, to make it really honestly, it’s a similar idea.

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Speaker 2: That we’ve been using.

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Speaker 4: We want to brand it towards those people who are who aren’t really in the gym much. Maybe they are, but they kind of don’t have a they don’t have like direction, but they but they are hunters and they are hunting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no matter.

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Speaker 4: It could be in the East, you know, doing public land whitetail stuff, or it could be in the west. Uh, maybe they drew their first tag and they’re going out west and they don’t know how to prep for it. Maybe you, you know, how old are your bird? I mean maybe you’re old as dirt. You’re forty five years old. You know, you’re over halfway through your life and you haven’t worked out much.

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Speaker 1: Oh I’m happy, I technically am. I think seventy six or seventy seven is the males for males and I’m halfway yikes back nine.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, if you if you haven’t been in the gym in a long time, this is kind of the the goal we just want.

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Speaker 2: It’s very minimal equipment.

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Speaker 4: I think I wrote it a dumbbell, a rock or a weighted vest or just some kind of backpack you can fill up with.

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Speaker 2: And then like.

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Speaker 4: Rings or a pull up bar, and I think that’s really about it. Maybe a box, some kind of box or cooler or bench or something some.

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Speaker 1: Kind of yea or less gym episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for I mean, yeah, that would be perfect.

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Speaker 4: So those four items, Like I feel like anyone can get a door frame, pull up bar, or hang some kind of rings in their house there there, I mean, I have bear of rings from.

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Speaker 1: I think we have videos of a of a two by four type that we got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 4: I have said rings in my in my basement with thirty dollars on Amazon, and those are perfect for ring rows and a pair of dumbells that you can move for about eight to ten reps on just about most movement squats, rows, bench, and then yeah, some thing you can step up to. I mean sometimes like you can even use your stairs, Like try to step up to that second or third stare and back down. And then a couple of days of the week we just put the ruck on and we move like I want you to put the ruck on and get out there. Sometimes you can run, sometimes you can walk, but getting that ruck on, conditioning the traps, even conditioning the upper back to carry that weight. Sometimes go heavier, sometimes go lighter and longer, but just getting comfortable with the pack on and then yeah, and then still just working the muscles, like in all different ranges. Obviously, if we’re gonna be going out, we’re gonna be bow hunting. Those ring rows or pull ups are pretty important. Like getting the back and the shoulder is strong enough, and then same thing with the bench or like a shoulder press. It’s important to work that shoulder in both ranges. So when you do get in that situation of like you’ve been hiking all day, you haven’t drun your bow back, and really three maybe even hiking for three or four days, you haven’t drawn your bow back at all. And then you get out there and there’s an elk staying in front of you. I mean, I haven’t specifically seen somebody do this, but I’ve heard of people like getting in that moment more white tail. But you get in that moment and you’re like so frozen shouldered or so oh, your adrenaline is pumping so hard you can’t even draw the bow back. So let’s try to get reps on the upper back, especially carrying a pack. Like there’s some workouts you’ll be wearing a rock and you’ll be doing rows or pull ups or something or just.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys, you haven’t been shooting your bow. Yeah, come June July, you’re like, oh, I got to start getting some reps in and guess what, you tweak your shoulder because you’ve not been doing other stuff to just stabilize that shoulder or just keep it strong. So this is for those guys girls that you know, hey, I’m a little bit intimidated by going to a gym, to across a gym or starting CrossFit period because I don’t know what I’m doing. This is pretty entry level basic. Hey, let’s just give you moving. Let’s get you moving. Or you don’t have a ton of time and you can’t go to a gym, you can walk out in your garage or your basement or wherever, Yeah, and start knocking something out.

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Speaker 4: You can feel a little bit more comfortable about the prep going into that hunt and know that that’s not gonna be the huge limitter that you thought it might have been. Like or maybe maybe it was a year ago or two years ago that was a huge limitter, and you don’t want that to happen. I mean, we’ve all been there.

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Speaker 2: It’s so hard.

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Speaker 4: Like I don’t care who you’ve never been there, I don’t care, I don’t care who you are. Like you go out there and you’re hiking days in a row and sometimes you’re not hearing or seeing anything. You just have to keep putting. You have to keep putting miles on if you want to be successful. I mean, yea, I guess you can just like hang out of camp and a lot of people spend a lot of money to go out there and hunt hard. You don’t want to just rely on oh, well, you know I used to work out, like you know, back back in high school.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: Like, let’s try to get you super fit or at least as fit as you can within this season, and then let’s get you to come back afterwards and help you for the next season. And then this should be like the point where you can the first pursuit is the idea where you’re coming in, you’re trying, you’re trying out or programming, and then we want you to grow from there. We have a bunch of other options and we’ll have more of the first pursuit stuff. You can live there if if that’s what you like, but we have other options where you never really get bored with just doing the same thing, and maybe you get maybe you do get fitter and you’re like, hey, I want to build a home gym, or I do want to go to across the gym, or I want to go to even just a regular gym, like wherever you want to go. Yeah, I mean, it’s it’s the kind of that it’s just literally what it is. It’s that first step into getting some physical training in and prepping for your first hunt or maybe prepping to be better on your next.

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Speaker 3: Hunt, and just moving like movements aren’t technical at all.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it’s.

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Speaker 1: Gumbell snatch is probably the highest technicality, but that’s it removes a lot of the technical single arm snatch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am pretty excited about that. This is honestly the me and Jeff. One day we sat down in Bird’s office for like two hours just hymning and haulling, like what is what should Yeah, what he was doing, I was doing. We were just like, what are we gonna call? Like we wanted to be cool. We don’t want to do too over the top. We want people to hear it and like kind of have an idea what that is. So like you hear Mayhem hunt and you hear first pursuit, you kind of can put those parallels like and then obviously we’ll try to exp play it in such a way like we’re doing here where you’re like, if that’s for you, then you should it should be obvious that it is for you, or or if you just want to go in there and see what it’s about and try some other stuff, like we just want to get you. We want to get you moving and whatever will keep you consistent, If this keeps you consistent, or that pursuit pump which is bodybuilding, or the pursuit performance which is what we use like our normal crosss stuff that we’re used to doing. If Murph prep is that thing that gets you into the programming and gets you interested in it and gets you working out regularly, Like I don’t I don’t really care what it is.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think we talked a little bit with this last podcast, but Eastern or southern whitetail hunters will definitely see benefit from doing this. Yeah, I think sure the longevity, you know, like to your point, you only have a certain amount of seasons of this, So the healthier you are, the longer you’re going to be able to do this.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: While the fitness side of it isn’t a huge piece of white tail hunting. I think it was last year or two years ago that like five in Michigan died dragging deer out, just some heart attacks, heart attack dragging them out, And so that’s just something to think about, you know, Like I don’t think you can underplay the importance of fitness, and you know, just one you’re gonna be better off. You’re gonna get in the woods a little bit easier in the mornings, get out of the woods once again, my a d D. In the middle of the day. I feel better for a hunt camp, to get some fitness in the middle of the day. I know, bird just hammering a little debbies, but.

00:16:27
Speaker 2: You know you earned chili dogs. We had chili dogs.

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Speaker 1: Doctor doctor Andy Alpin said, you could do that. Yeah, hunting a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Really weeks off, didn’t take two weeks off.

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Speaker 1: I just can’t even imagine taking too. If it wasn’t two weeks.

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Speaker 2: It wasn’t taking two weeks off. No, I don’t think so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, we want to get internally there. You know the amount of sabbaths that I’ve skipped, I’ve lost a couple of year.

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Speaker 3: I needed along sabbatical.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, I’m even in our the this lease over here, uh, Sam and I multiple mornings in a row we showed up there like four in the morning and hiked a mile and a half uphill with a pack on, carrying your bow in the dark, like you kid anything.

00:17:24
Speaker 2: I actually I was.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the best hunting mornings of my life. Because we did it. We just went on on X and we just literally did it on our own. We’re like, hey, this spot looks like a good spot. Let’s just go try And we hiked in there in the dark. I don’t know, probably we hiked in. We got into a good spot, and we both saw deer that morning.

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Speaker 2: I didn’t.

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Speaker 4: They came up actually really close to me a couple of dos, and I’m like, I’ll shoot anything just because I can’t believe this worked.

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Speaker 2: Like we just we literally.

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Speaker 4: Just I mean I just based on whatever, whatever I’ve learned on YouTube, Like, I just based on what I learned on YouTube, hiked in, got to a bench. I’m like, this look like a good spot. That looks like there’s probably some food here, like some acorn trees or whatever. Let’s just try it. And we hiked in and I mean we saw deer. I had a shot on one, but they I mean, dude, they are they were so freaking paranoid, like they’re walking once they’re in bow rangers staring at you. I’m like, I can’t do anything now. I just stood there with my bow. I held my bow like by the cam in between my feet for probably forty five minutes I was, I was stood around backwards on my saddle. I just stood there waiting for them to do something, and they just stared at me, stared at me, would move a little bit, stare at me again, and I’m just sitting there, and you know, the initial you’re just.

00:18:40
Speaker 2: Like shaking like, oh man, it’s gonna happen, and then nothing.

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Speaker 4: They walk away, and then then they walked over by Sam AND’s kind of same thing.

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Speaker 1: All right, talk a little bit about the false narrative that high intensity training is dangerous or not even.

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Speaker 4: Or not necessary necessary for hunting, dude. I mean we’ve talked about this. I don’t know if it’s on here or just like between the two of us about like that. The reason I think CrossFit, no, the reason I know across the gossip popular is because of the adaptation you can get in that ten to twenty ten to thirty minute window of you Because the anaerobic where you’re talking about really.

00:19:18
Speaker 1: Sure crossover between aerobic.

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Speaker 4: Aerobic and anaerobic, you’re training both in there, aerobic starts to happen.

00:19:24
Speaker 2: Was it like minute seven is when.

00:19:25
Speaker 4: You’re really aerobic, and then like anaerobic would be like the power output stuff, and you’re meeting them right in the middle.

00:19:33
Speaker 2: You’re training both of them.

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Speaker 4: That’s why it’s so effective is because you’re getting the best bang for your buck. You’re touching both of them, and it’s pretty much a blend. Usually every day it’s a blend of anaerobic anaerobic anaerobic and aerobic.

00:19:47
Speaker 1: Anaerobic means without oxygen, aerobic means with oxygen.

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Speaker 4: Yeap, you’re getting a blend of both though, so you are you literally are getting the best bang for your buck. If that’s all you’re gonna do, a twenty minute, higher intensity CrossFit style workout is probably gonna be the best bang for your buck. You have time to train all day, of course, like you can hit all those domains all on their own. But if we’re talking about getting into the gym four an hour, I want to warm up, do my workout, and cool down all within that hour, and then that CrossFit workout really is going to hit a lot of the bases, especially, I mean, we spend a lot of time programming though, and then not only are you doing that fitness that is gonna help you bleed into both ranges, you’re also we’re focusing on the we’re also focusing on the movements you will actually see in the.

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Speaker 1: UH without it being too repetitive. So yeah, the idea is that we’re touching all the three different energy pathways. There are two anaerobic pathways, but we won’t turn out too much. And then there’s one aerobic pathway. So we’re gonna train you in all three and we may not you know, like we’ll probably upper limits. Gonna be an hour of like a move on a Thursday or you know, a rock or something like that. If you were to just right, hey, I want a sports specific train for hunting, you would just go out and rock mountains day after day. Your body cannot take that.

00:21:08
Speaker 2: No, and it’s not gonna you’re not gonna want to do it every.

00:21:11
Speaker 1: No, you’re gonna get burned out. So this is I think the best way and kind of the most most effective, most enjoyable way to do it. Yeah, it hurts a little bit more probably, I would say, the intensity, but you get some good things from the good hurt, good hearth and yeah, and so I think you know, the the high intensity obviously, within the hardest part of this is not having a coach like I would recommend if you can go to a gym learn some of these movements, but you know, from them, for the most part, we have limited a ton of the riskier.

00:21:48
Speaker 2: That you don’t need coaching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, specific, But I would also say in the Pursuit performance track, we do a lot of heavy stuff like deadlifting and cleans and so you know, those are some things that you would need to learn, and maybe we even do some videos on just some technique on that type of stuff that there and YouTube is a wealth and knowledge on those types of things. So you know, most for the most part, you’re probably curbing your ego a little bit too, because if you’re not in a gym, yeah, and so just be smart, you know, like ease into it, figure out kind of what best works for you. You know, progress through these tracks where you’ve got first pursuit, you’re like, okay, I’m good here, let me add a barbell, let me get a little bit of weights. I can add some of those strapping pieces in.

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Speaker 4: There is huge that the Pursue Performance will always have like an advanced option and a scaled option also every day. So if you have if you’ve done the first pursuit and you’re like, man, I do want to get more equipment, or I do want to go to a gym and start to do like you said, add a barbell or do some more ads, some movements to it. Then that pursuper performance still has like a stepping stone in there. It’s where it’s kind of the next level up. And then there is an advanced option. Maybe some days you could do one or the other. Or does what what do you do?

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Speaker 2: The mix? You do mix right in the middle. Yeah, the rocket like advanced Pope and.

00:23:09
Speaker 4: Young would be the intermediate crocket somewhere right in the middle. But that means that and that’s also like, uh, I mean, that’s also good, like being able to self regulate a little bit. You can be honest with just with yourself. If let’s just say the more advanced option has more running in it compared to the intermediate intermediate option, maybe you can do that running, but maybe there is a barbell and it need to lower the weight. So it’s not it’s not end all be all. You need to adjust it just a little bit for yourself.

00:23:39
Speaker 2: Then do that.

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Speaker 3: And to the about what you said about the ruck, I would say doing it does put you in a position where you make yourself suffer probably a little bit more, because if you’re just rocking up a hill, like you’re gonna take a break, right, You’re gonna get tired, You’re gonna break, and then you’ll start again. Whereas I mean, realistically, if you’re on an elk, you can’t take a break, you know what I mean. So doing a workout will make you keep going, where whereas going up a hill with a rug NonStop, you’re gonna just naturally go to your own pace.

00:24:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, sorry, during your like say you’re cutting the distance on an milk, that is like the definition of high intensity.

00:24:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

00:24:22
Speaker 5: I have never pursued an animal with low heart rate. No ever.

00:24:27
Speaker 1: Absolutely pursuit mode that’s what we call it. Yeah, when you go to pursuit mode, that heart rate doesn’t get below one thirty.

00:24:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:24:32
Speaker 4: Well, and then because you you don’t know what to like, you don’t know where that else is gonna be when you first get out there, you don’t know what kind of terrain you’re gonna have to cover. Like if he’s you know, you hear him, he’s two hills over, you’re gonna have to get up and over them, or you can I mean if you’re wanting to try to cut the distance, you’re not gonna.

00:24:48
Speaker 2: Walk around the easy way.

00:24:50
Speaker 4: You’re gonna have to take some time, take the way that doesn’t mayn’t necessarily seem the path of most resistance.

00:24:56
Speaker 2: You’re gonna have to take a path and most resistance. I’m sure it’s true.

00:25:00
Speaker 6: Every single time I’ve been on one of those and you’re you’re looking for the wind right, you’re making sure the wind is right, and every single time, the wind is the most annoying path possible.

00:25:10
Speaker 5: To get off and around because of the wind.

00:25:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean you’re on the clock. You don’t know what you don’t know when the end time is. You do know that you’re on the clock, like that else is gonna move on, or you’re gonna spook it, or it’s something else is gonna spook it.

00:25:24
Speaker 2: You’re on the clock.

00:25:24
Speaker 4: You want to get over there as quick as possible, and being able to take that path of most resistance sometimes is the only option if you actually.

00:25:33
Speaker 2: Want to close the distance.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: Yep. I think we talked a lot about this on the last one. It’s not getting back in shape. It’s a maintenance. Hey, let’s as soon as it’s over, let’s just kind of keep this going. We’re kind of taking the guess work out with these different programs. Obviously you can move you know, in and out depending on your equipment. If you have more equipment, you know, maybe the pursuit is the pursuit performances where you want to be. But don’t make excuses, you know. Once again, I think we talked about this lot one with the goals. I like having Murph on the schedule. We have this run coming up on the schedule. We have just little you know. Obviously September is our season, right and what we’re training for. But I do have these little check ins. I guess throughout the summer that I’ll be doing and then post and I guess right in the middle of hunting season with doing that iron Man. But what I’m doing getting ready for hunting season will also prepare me for the iron Man.

00:26:26
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, the longer enduring stuff.

00:26:28
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it’s just like you know, these tracks are I would say ish concrete of like, hey, maybe start here. Yeah, but if you have a lot of the equipment, and you have a good CrossFit base or you know, fitness base, maybe do jump in the performance or the hybrid stuff. What is that pursuit pump is that.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: We have pursued hybrid as well, that’s in there.

00:26:51
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think, you know, for the most part, a lot of these workouts take under an hour.

00:26:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would.

00:26:56
Speaker 1: Say they’re you know, depending on which level you’re there’s different equipment lists, and I think we’ve got that listed. Performance versus pump performance is going to be a lot more heart rate.

00:27:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s going to be more.

00:27:09
Speaker 1: High intensity functional movement, a lot of moving your body weight through space, moving on objects. Pump is going to be exactly what it means.

00:27:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I won’t lie. There are days where I just want to do a pump. Yeah, it’s for sure.

00:27:19
Speaker 2: So like don’t doesn’t.

00:27:22
Speaker 4: Like a good pump, you don’t don’t think about it at don’t be don’t like pigeonol yourself where you’re like, well, I gotta do what’s next on this on this track? Well, if you have options to go to to branch out a little bit, Obviously being consistent in the program that you’re following is best. But if there is a day where you you don’t want to do a workout that’s on there and you still want to work out. We would much rather you jump off that track, go to a different program, do that workout, and then maybe come back and do that the other workout that you have been skipping, come back and do that a few days later the h and you may find out that like, hey, maybe twice a week I do the pump workout because I like them. So finding a blend that fits you. And this is this is the thing that I preach the most, that we can write a program that is ten out of ten perfect.

00:28:12
Speaker 2: Science backs it up. It it works perfectly.

00:28:15
Speaker 4: However, if you don’t enjoy it and you don’t do it, it’s not gonna work you. But if we if we change it, or if you let’s just say you change it for yourself to make it seventy percent effective and you follow it every single day because you enjoy it, You’re doing something you are doing. You are going to make much better gains by doing that. Then you then if you jump on and off that program, that is for sure the best way to get better.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: There is something to be said about doing things you don’t like to do pretty regularly. I wouldn’t say every day, like you will get burned out if you’re doing something you’re like, man, I dread doing this every day. Yeah, And so there is the like fine line between being like a you know, just going to get a pump every single day versus adding in a little bit of you know, high intensity or just functional movement whatever. So that’s just something you gotta be careful of. What I would say is used three times a week is like I need to get outside my comfort zone three times a week, Like maybe you need to rope climb once a month.

00:29:12
Speaker 3: I hate running, don’t be all. I’ve ran every day.

00:29:18
Speaker 1: Just to get ready for that run.

00:29:19
Speaker 2: Yes, dude, I’m so proud of you.

00:29:21
Speaker 1: Thank me and Angel, we’re going to walk the whole thing.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: I didn’t say I wasn’t gonna walk. But I have ran a lot. Yeah, I’ve ran more than I having a long time.

00:29:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have read less than I have to. I need.

00:29:34
Speaker 4: I have got to get some time to my feet. I like, I’ll break my feet if I try to walk for twenty four hours.

00:29:39
Speaker 2: Now you won’t, you don’t think? I hope not. I really hope not.

00:29:43
Speaker 4: But like I need to, like I need to get some time to my feet, Like I at least need to like walk.

00:29:47
Speaker 1: Steps were getting ten thousand steps a day.

00:29:49
Speaker 4: I need to try to get like I think I need to try to get twenty or twenty five at least a few days.

00:29:54
Speaker 1: Now you got like you got ten days. It’s too late, you know, too late now, said he not. He he does because he’s coming up. I guess it’s been about a year or two ago he started doing these.

00:30:08
Speaker 2: Step challenges.

00:30:09
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, what is those races called endurance? High endurance races? Ultras ultras doesn’t train for any of them, he just does them. What. Yeah, all right, so there we go. I’m not training, so.

00:30:21
Speaker 3: You’re fun, that’s it.

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. I’ve had to get through the open on this knee and then so I’ve not been running the last three weeks, probably because my knees flared up.

00:30:29
Speaker 3: I’m more worried about just not sleeping.

00:30:32
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hate I hate not sleeping. Honestly. That’s the one thing I hate about twenty four hour challenges is no sleep. Yeah, everything else I go, I.

00:30:41
Speaker 5: Can handle it.

00:30:42
Speaker 3: But I’ve been running. I’m like mountain weight right now, mountain wight. Those two three this morning.

00:30:47
Speaker 2: Lean mean fighting machine, lean mean mountain machine.

00:30:50
Speaker 1: That’s pretty twenty twenty four Bird, twenty five bird? What was here was that when we went out to the ranch?

00:30:58
Speaker 3: Oh no, it’s probably when you were two of three.

00:31:01
Speaker 2: This morning, nice, almost down to victim weight, start lifting heavy.

00:31:07
Speaker 3: I guess.

00:31:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. There’s a talk on here. It says Eastern guys always talking about training for elevation gain, but if you don’t have elevation time on your feet. I kind of go back and forth with this. I think if you can add a box and you know, do some stepovers, do a four hundred, do some stepovers, do a four hundred, I think there’s gonna be a ton of benefit to that.

00:31:28
Speaker 2: Even like a dragging a sled or push.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Thing is just lightweight sled pushing.

00:31:35
Speaker 3: Now that you will be out of breath like when you get there, just from elevation, Yeah, you won’t be able to man.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: I would argue though, if you’re at humidity, it’s harder than elevation. For me.

00:31:47
Speaker 4: Jeff’s freaking out or he’s carrying a gallon jug around, He’s like, I neard dealt with You made.

00:31:51
Speaker 1: Me and Angela looked like we pissed our pants for an hour.

00:31:54
Speaker 2: It was so bad.

00:31:55
Speaker 1: It was so bad, sticky and nasty.

00:31:58
Speaker 2: I haven’t gotten that. That was the first time I’ve got I’m not sweaty this year.

00:32:00
Speaker 1: And I forgot how how that feels.

00:32:03
Speaker 2: I was soaking.

00:32:04
Speaker 5: I came home yesterday. My wife’s like, did you go swimming?

00:32:07
Speaker 4: It felt like it’s not that bad here, guys, No, like you came with the humidity. Scott with the he just can’t get away from it. He’s in shorts and a T shirt. It’s ten degrees.

00:32:20
Speaker 2: That’s he’s like one women around like possible. You put Gaga’s on a swim.

00:32:30
Speaker 1: You know. We talk a lot about what muscles get taxed the most. Obviously the lower body’s gonna get taxed. I think the calves are like a sleeper in the whole deal.

00:32:37
Speaker 2: I think it’s it’s the head.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: It depends on where you carry your path, you know, where you put the pressure. I would say, traps get lit up, your hips get lit up. I switch back and forth where I’ll you know, may carry the load a lot on my hips, and then I’ll since this thing up and I’ll carry it on my shoulders. And then honestly, the worst part about the whole thing is carrying a weapon.

00:32:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is one of the like because you need it somewhat ready at all times.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: The most like overthought and almost impossible to train. Piece of hunting is just having a weapon in your hand and navigating vegetation and those types of things. I’ve never been more frustrated trying to get through an oak brook than trying to get through an oak brush patch with a bow or with a rifle on my back, Like I wanted to kill every one and everything.

00:33:24
Speaker 2: You’re stuck, you get hung up on things.

00:33:27
Speaker 1: It’s just so frustrating.

00:33:28
Speaker 3: So depending what kind of shoes, what boots you have, does determine how much your caps were.

00:33:33
Speaker 1: Sure I And honestly, man, I know people I’ve had. When we went to Wyoming last year, the guys at camp were like, ah, you can’t wear those barefoot you know shoes up in these avalanche slides and blah blah blah. I had no problem whatsoever, But I train year round.

00:33:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say stability wise, they are better. YEA Like last year mine got wet, so I wore my Crispy’s the next day and almost immediately rolled my ankle. Really so like it is a thing, but your calves do your calves is a different toal wearing the two different boots for s.

00:34:07
Speaker 4: The ankle support and the Vivo’s is really good. Like that ankle support.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: Well, and you’re you’re on the ground, so you don’t really need as much ankle support because your ankle you have nowhere to Yeah.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: You can, you can.

00:34:18
Speaker 4: Your foot can handle it because it feels, it feels what’s coming up a little bit better.

00:34:22
Speaker 3: Just need to get them to make a waterproof bear.

00:34:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:34:25
Speaker 5: Would you guys recommend training in your hunting.

00:34:27
Speaker 1: Boots if you have like a thicker boot, then yes. If you’re training in a Vivo and you hunting a Vivo, the tracker comes out of the box pretty much broken.

00:34:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. Your shoe versus your boot is so.

00:34:42
Speaker 1: Similar, it’s almost identical. And with how hot it is and sweaty it is here in August and September, I wouldn’t.

00:34:50
Speaker 3: Have like getting ready ward on the StairMaster.

00:34:54
Speaker 1: Yeah for a while.

00:34:55
Speaker 4: With if your boots are with mostly different than your shoes, you definitely should.

00:34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:34:58
Speaker 6: I’d say that the average unter they’re wearing Crispy’s you know kind of tracks, you know, just your strong thick one.

00:35:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if they’re new, because you want to break them in too, So I would definitely say you don’t want like a brand new pair of shoes.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you want to break them in a little bit. I mean that’s that would be perfect.

00:35:15
Speaker 4: That would be the days like if you’re going for a rock, that’s like the day you throw it on Like pretty much gets get as sports specific as you can. But the if you’re going to rock, use your hunting pack and then carry your bow, and and where the boots you’re wearing. It’s terrible, but yeah it’s necessary. It’s terrible, but for sure necessary necessary. We have because like rich Ass trails here, we have a couple other spots with trails around here, so you can I mean if you want to, like when you if you have a Saturday where you’re not doing much and you’re just like I want to go, spend like if forty five minutes or an hour hiking and try to get a feel for it. It may look a little funny you go to a park with your bow.

00:35:52
Speaker 2: Maybe you don’t bring the bow but the.

00:35:57
Speaker 1: Five pound dumbell and just carry out.

00:35:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe leave the camel it on to.

00:36:03
Speaker 1: Dogwood Park. I get you into a little bit of trouble.

00:36:08
Speaker 2: What are you saying, Jeff, I was.

00:36:09
Speaker 6: Gonna say, Rich said it like my dad used to train with three pound dumbbells in his hands, just like switching it just one, just back and forth, Like what do you weapons?

00:36:18
Speaker 1: How heavy it is a little stuff on it, luminum.

00:36:20
Speaker 4: I mean it’s I think the more sports specific you can get, the closer to the task you are doing, the better.

00:36:29
Speaker 2: I mean that.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: I’ve also never been like, oh man, I can’t carry this boat any longer in my hand. Yeah, you know, because we do a lot of grip stuff, we do a lot of pulling stuff. And that’s the point of all this stuff that I don’t have to worry about that when you get out there, all you got to worry about is your gear that you practiced with. You’re ready, and yeah, that’s that’s the point. So coolam Hunt.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: Yeah uh yeah.

00:36:55
Speaker 4: I mean we can put the link down of the t playbook with these tracks that we’re talking about.

00:37:00
Speaker 1: And then maybe there’s a teaser of a free yeah rock program, So if it’s possible in the works, in the works, cool cool Dodds, we miss anything on your list?

00:37:12
Speaker 5: Nope, you guys know.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: Jevity longevity, longevity.

00:37:15
Speaker 5: That’s right, it’s the name of the game.

00:37:16
Speaker 1: Seventy seven. You’re gonna make it to to beat.

00:37:18
Speaker 4: You have to rub a jar and a genie comes out. When you say that, the finished genie comes out.

00:37:23
Speaker 1: You gotta go in the dark in the bathroom and say it three times and turn around. You guys were with that. M h, what are you married? Sorry, freak me out, all right, Peace,